Greetings, and welcome back to Horror Business. We have one awesome episode in store for you guys because we’re talking about two dark fantasy films: 1985’s Return To Oz and 1990’s The Witches.

First and as always thank you to our Patreon subscribers. Your support means the world to us and we are eternally thankful. If you would like to become a Patron, head to Thanks in advance! Also, a huge thank you to the fine folks over at Lehigh Valley Apparel Creations, the premiere screen-printing company of the Lehigh Valley. Chris Reject and his merry band of miscreants are ready to work with you to bring to life your vision of a t-shirt for your business, band, project, or whatever else it is you need represented by a shirt, sweater, pin, or coozy. Head on over to to check them out. Thank you also to Essex Coffee Roasters, our newest sponsor. Head to to check out their fine assortment of coffee and enter CINEPUNX in the promo code for ten percent off your order!

We start by talking about what we’ve done involving horror recently. Liam talks about seeing Brooklyn 45. Justin talks about attending the virtual screening segment of Chattanooga Film Fest and some of the films he saw there, as well as a trip he took to the Stanley Hotel, where back in the ’70s Stephen King was staying when he was inspired to write The Shining, as well as seeing Insidious: The Red Door and Absurd.

Up first is Return To Oz. We talk about the casting process to find the perfect Dorothy. We talk about how while the original film had a few unintentionally scary parts, this film had a strange, unsettling atmosphere the entire run time, as well as Dorothy’s home of Kansas being just as upsetting as Oz simply due to the way children with medical problems were treated in that time period.

We go on a brief tangent on the history of mental healthcare in this country. We talk about how this version of Oz is far more threatening and dangerous than the original film. We discuss some of the more clearly not meant for children moments in the film, as well as some of the moments in the film where the budget cuts towards the end of production show.

Justin talks about how the most unsettling and effective aspect of the film for him was the end when the Nome King is defeated and the Claymation begins to resemble the end of the first Evil Dead film and looks equally frightening.

We talk about how much of a curveball this film must’ve been when parents in the ‘80s took their kids to see this opening night due to the first film being so beloved.

Up next is The Witches. Justin starts by talking about how not only did the movie not really scare him but he found some of the “Peter Jackson-esque close ups of people’s mouths” sickening and Angelica Huston more annoying than scary, although the sound of the main character Luke in distress hit a very parentally sympathetic chord in him.

We talk about director Nicholas Roeg’s pedigree in film, as well as the soft spot many millennials have for this film.  Liam talks about how the film has a very Disney-esque feel to it, and how the film drags at times between THAT scene and the witch’s actual plan.

We talk about how the film feels very British and the comedic value of  “the improper”. We discuss how the film almost lets us believe that these two children are left to be mice for the rest of their lives before the good witch turns them back into children. The ending of a grandmother and her grandson traveling to America to hunt down the remaining witches is, while amazing, not really in line with the rest of the film.

First and foremost, as always thank you for listening and to everyone and anyone who donated on Patreon, checked this episode out, or shared a tweet/shared a post on FB/gave us love by recommending us to someone. We love you forever for listening and donating. Any questions, comments, suggestions for movies and guests, or if you yourself want to join us for a movie viewing or even an episode, can be sent to [email protected]. We would love to hear from you! Thanks always to Justin Miller, Jacob Roberts, Paul Sharkey, and Doug Tilley for their technical contributions and fliers, Mike Smaczylo for the shirts and fliers (you can check more of his work out at here), and also thanks to Josh Alvarez for the theme song, Chris, Brad, and LVAC for the support and buttons (check them out at and on Twitter), Essex Coffee Roasters ( and a HUGE thank you to anyone who retweeted us or shared something on Facebook that we posted. Follow us on Twitter and Instagram at @thehorrorbiz666, like us on Facebook at, check out our Spotify account at Cinepunx, and remember to rate, review, and subscribe to us on ITunes. In fact, if you write us a review, email us with your mailing address and we’ll send you some free pins and stickers!  Check out for more info on some of our other podcasts, some ultra stylish Cinepunx related merchandise, and how you can donate to our Patreon! Until next time…thanks!